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Newgrounds Review 1

Posted by Gimmick - June 23rd, 2011


What is the Newgrounds Review?

It is a small independent review that I'll be making of the features of Newgrounds every time I "feel like it", or around once every 2 months, or maybe even once per month.

I've also included a list of favorite users below...

List of favorite users:
Asandir - Well....because he's a good user, but it's a shame he's crossed 6000 posts in this short duration of time. He's even ahead of POTaTOS by almost double...to think that POTaTOS posted a lot..tch tch.
Narcissy - Well....once upon a time, he was a famous user, along with the others below, but the limelight was stolen...by (guess who!) plus, he was almost a team member in the Game Jam 5
Bilalz - Because he's a nice user.
hongkongexpress - For blocking me from his PM delibrately
JohnnyDamon - You mad bro?
Dean - An overall nice user. Allegedly "knew me on newgrounds" before my username change.
MercatorMapV2 - Because he's JohnnyDamon's alt.
Gimmick's former account, Gimmick - Because he was the person who didn't contribute to newgrounds and so allowed Sanjeev98 to change to the user Gimmick.

Without further ado, let's start already, I've got a load of work on my hands so I'd finish it fast...

The flash portal
While the concept of "voting on flash" is good, it may be flawed as it can be abused -- people who hate a flash may communicate with others to create a network that mass-votes flash either zero or five, with the former being widespread before. Tom suggested that it may be removed in the new version of Newgrounds (after the redesign), but it will still be abusable as many accounts can be created and replaced every day. It is yet to be seen whether there's a leak-proof solution for this.

The audio portal
This is a good idea -- people can submit audio as part of their portfolio, thus increasing their chances of being seen, and also removes the monotony of Newgrounds as a flash portal only and gives more people a chance, if they don't have flash. However, it's yet to be known why voting on audio does not give you experience points, and why the audio goes through a vetting stage by a mod rather than by having a judgement stage like in the flash portal. This may be a temporary solution to the "abusable" voting in the flash portal, but I've noticed from experience that most audio takes weeks and when approved, would usually have a score that depends on the average amount of votes and the vote itself. So for example, if there are zero votes and one person (usually the author) votes five on it, then the overall score is 5. I still have some doubts on this matter as to why this system has been used. The judging by a mod does not allow for the "instant" submission to the audio portal.

The art portal
While this expands the choices and portfolios of users, it is much more than just strange as to why there has to be a "scouting" feature for the art portal before it can be voted upon -- why can't it "pass judgement" and then see if it passes? That way, more people can vote on art, and if it turns out that it is abused for more experience points, then it can be divided equally into 3 -- vote on 5 flash for 3.33 experience points, vote on 5 art submissions for 3.33 more experience points, and then finally vote on 5 audio submissions to get the grand total of 10 experience points. The "unscouting" feature isn't not notorious either -- I remember an event in which a group of hackers hacked Egoraptor's account and unscouted all his scouted artists. While the damage was reversable, it certainly brings into question what kind of system and users Newgrounds is dealing with.

The Collections, Games and Series
While they do have a good amount of flash and collections listed there, I've noticed some of them have not been updated in a long time, say 2 years minimum. There is one blammed flash in the "Gadgets" section of the "games" part, but the lack of it being removed just shows what kind of load (or laziness?) the staff has; Tom recently mentioned that it would be replaced with a new system with new tags, but since it's not to be released until after the redesign, and since the redesign itself isn't showing much progress (no due date, seriously?) and Tom wasn't giving many updates as of recently, the fact that there might even be a redesign may be brought into question.

The userpages
While I went to the Wayback! Archive recently, I went to the times of 2007, and saw that Tom announced that userpages were finally finished, and to be frank, it's quite a nice touch, seeing as userpages give more access to a person's personal portfolio, and it's the reason why you're reading this; however, the userpages are quite bland, and I do not understand why we can't have animated icons or profile pictures for users who joined 2009 or later (it might even be for users below or on 2008). I recently saw in the Wi/Ht? forum that they will be introducing it again in the redesign; however frequent references to the redesign make me doubt there is going to be one at all. Don't mind me; if you've seen a sneak peek you're good to follow that belief, as I'm a bit of a pessimist myself.

The forums
This is one such thing that brought me alive on Newgrounds. It's guaranteed to always (well, maybe not always) be alive and kicking full of topics; this accounts for 99% of the entertainment value that I obtain from Newgrounds as a website -- I tend to not play the flash unless it involves medals, really. The users on the forums may or may not be horrible, but it's really their problem, not ours; the mods do a good job of maintaining the forums, and if in case they do overlook something, then we're all more than glad to help...unless that user is the OP of the thread concerned.

The users
While some of the users are very nice, such as Asandir, Suprememessage and Chdonga (for example) there are other users who have two faces -- one on the forums and one for the rest of Newgrounds. Now, this might sound harsh, but I'm telling the plain truth when I say this: All users are retarded. There are no exceptions. I'm a retard, you're a retard, Tom's a retard, Wade's a retard, everyone on Newgrounds is. I'm not one who judges people, and just to prove that I don't like to call users retards, I put myself up on that list, possibly #1. I've also noticed they don't read long walls of text such as these.

The store
While I haven't been to the newgrounds store at all, I'm quite convinced it's a nice way to show that you're a true fan of newgrounds...and by what other way than buying items from keychains to shirts to video games! The box that shows how much you've spent is overkill though; you can brag about it and I, being a modest person myself, don't like that -- it's as if you're claiming you're better than X person because you bought Y amount more than him or her.

The ad API
Having been a user of the flash advertisement API myself, it is quite nice, however it would be nice if the rules were changed so that the amount earned was paid at the end of every month...regardless of whether it crosses $50 or not. I feel like I'm getting the part that's not the lion's, and that newgrounds is rather earning more than me in that, but I don't care about it much, it's good that it's there at all, but I don't see why they say that you "have a higher chance of reaching the front page" if you choose their API; it's quite biased really.

The Medal API
Approval takes a lot of time, and even though I understand that this is to confirm whether the medals are actually worth it (waiting 4 hours? seriously?), but since the admins don't have any if at all time on their hands, it may be weeks before any medals can be approved.
Thanks to MikeyS9607 for suggesting.

The dumping grounds
This was a feature that I truly loved. Rather than having to go to SWFcabin and upload my SWF files there, and risking them getting deleted at any time, I know my files are going to be permanent on the Newgrounds Dumping grounds unless I delete them manually. However, this raises the question: If hackers hack into your account and delete your precious files from the dump, then should there be a confirmation mail for it? Why? Why not? For one, it shows that your account was hacked, and for two, it showed that even though they breached your account, your files were saved, but it might be tedious to delete a file, go to your email, confirm, rinse and repeat; therefore there should be an option to choose whether you want that or not.

The News Posts
I've seen that many users' news posts are mostly about rants, or whatnot, but when there are some strikingly good ones -- such as Asandir's post and possibly this post, and there's one small thing that's either a mistake or something else, it tends to derail the post completely. There are over 100 comments on Asandir's userpage, but 42+ are by one user and only around 43 are about the topic in concern. The rest are just about batcat.

Possible features for the redesign?
I did mention that the redesign may be unlikely, but I've heard about some features that are going to be in Newgrounds after the redesign. I'll review the ones I've heard of:
1) [Unity] may overtake flash -- Now, 3D may be tougher than 2D and I have no idea of how Unity works, but the last thing I want is complete takeover of Unity and the thwarting of Flash from Newgrounds. The risks are low, but if thousands of 3D games are made in Unity, then they'd have a higher pass rate than Flash, because of the fact it's 3D. I may be wrong because it may be tough to make games in Unity; however, that's not up to me.
2) [Wide site layout] -- While this may benefit people who have huge monitors like I had, it certainly will NOT help people stuck with old 1024x768 screen resolutions, and certainly not people with small screens.
3) [Bluish theme] -- I don't know how this will be, but I do want a gray theme switch, because truth be told, I've grown up with this gray theme and goes easy on my eyes at night.
That's all the rumours I've heard for now.

The end....for now?
That's all for now; if you've read until this point, props to you, and stay tuned for Newgrounds Review 2! If you hate me after reading this, go on, do what you want, but I'll just continue posting my honest opinions. Disagree, agree, build upon or state whatever you want in the comments.
P.S And yes Lintire I do plan on completing Newgrounds Review 2 after the redesign.


Comments

Well, here are my thoughts:

- Dividing the experience points is not that good, I would make it so, that you can vote on audio and art, and that it counts to the 5 needed votes.

- Dumping grounds is indeed great and should be used more by other artists

- The forums are great and I use them alot, but you should know that already ;)

- Can´t comment on the API, since I have no experience with it and won´t have any in the future.

- I have also mixed feelings about the scouting system, but only because it lets out unknown users, I guess.

- I like the userpage, but more ways to customize it would be great, yes.

- The collections are barely updated, it´s sad, maybe some people could make it?

Well, that´s all that I wanted to say.

1) Then people won't vote on quite a lot of flash or audio or art and then it'll take longer to pass judgement, maybe? It'll make them lazier as well.
2) Okay
3) Okay
4) Okay
5) But if everyone were given scouts then they could be more widely known, and why not have the same system as the flash portal?
6) Okay
7) I think genre mods are there for that reason, and tom mentioned it'll be up and running after the redesign.
Okay, thanks for the comment!

Only two thins I really have much of a concern about. Voting system and dumping. O

- Voting: There is no leak-proof system for voting. There isn't. I rather keep the 0-5 voting style. It generally shows the quality of a flash (unless abused), allows for a middle ground on certain ideals -- rather than the mindless Like/Dislike feature on most damn content on the web, it doesn't hop the bandwagon of Internet voting (Most hopping from Newgrounds style back in the early 2000s), and is all around traditional and should be one of the things to stay since it has been one of the main pulls since automated portal system has been implemented.
-- You could have no voting, but that would destroy what is THE heart of Newgrounds. You could change it entirely, but it's not broken and there is no leak-proof system, and it would destroy the feel of this site.

Dumping Grounds: I'm not worried so much about the security. But a confirmation email for everything you may delete would be nice, but also tedious. However, I really wish there was more mention of dumping grounds to other artists. So many artists who are in the portal upload these "test" flashes to see how things look, and time to time I shoot them a little email saying "Hey, you know there's Dumping Grounds, right?" And they think me for letting them know because they had no idea. Maybe a little message in the submitting screen saying "Woohoo, test flashes go here". It would be a real saver.

First 2 things: I'm not saying we should switch over to a Youtube-style Like/Dislike system, for that's the last thing I ever want.
Dump: Pretty much yes, but if there was a voting system for the dump, then it'd be better.

Why would I listen to a retard. :P

Well because you're one too, like I said everyone's a retard.

I wasn't saying you wanted to switch to Youtube, but I heard some talk once that Tom thought of the whole like/dislike thing It's just that seems to be the only other form of voting I can really think of.

Anyhow, what would the purpose of the dump having a form of voting be?

Well, Tom thought it was crap. And I can pretty much say every user around here thinks its crap.
So that the person can gauge his/her flash WITHOUT having to go through the flash portal, it won't be popular and it won't be public, it's just floating out there, so if it's bad then no harm done.

I think you should comment on medal approval/denial, as it seems that you'll either be waiting months for approval, and in one of my friends cases, denied before they upload the game. That's bullshit. I agree with a lot of your stuff here.

But they need to know whether it's actually viable, but thanks, I'll update it.

"The rest are just about batcat."

OBJECTION! Batcat is actually part of my newspost, so people stay infact ontopic when they comment on him ;)

The rest are still about batcat.
Anyhoo, it'd count as part of the newspost only if it was a last-resort TL;DR.

I don't know how the hell you're going to re-review Newgrounds again in 2 months. You could just say that you're going to review it after the redesign; that is, in your words, never.

I'm okay with them putting off updating features of the website which I myself have stopped using for a while now, but hopefully they'll input all that time into hurrying it the hell up.

Okay review, pretty explanatory and conventional views but whatever. Didn't know they were re-implementing animated profile images. Hopefully they'll raise the image limits above the ridiculously low 50kb limit.

Review 2: Well that's what I initially thought, so I guess that's the reason why I removed the tag and said it could be a continuation, but since there may only be 2 or 3, I guess I'll do it after the redesign.
Nice observation on the "never" part though :)

The chat is yet to come and I don't understand why it's taking so long -- there are thousands of chats on NG already. Also , the NG Mag is not available, yet it can be accessed through the Flash Portal.

Hopefully, they will.
Thanks for replying!

On the redesign part:
I would like it, when we can choose between the colour layouts, when there will be a blue one, so that everyone gets what he/she likes, although I doubt that Newgrounds will change its famous colourscheme.

Not sure on Unity games, but they could bring in more variation, when I understood it right, there will be one flash portal and one portal for creations that were made with other utilities, I might be wrong, though.

Well, I agree on the things you said about the widescreen layout.

Okay; thanks for commenting!

nice review! Very thorough and detailed. I agree with you about the art portal. There a lot of artists I like on NG but I can't fav them. And yes I'm a retard.

Thanks!
We're all retards, don't worry.

You're copying Asandir.

Would you care to elaborate?
I hadn't seen you until recently, Quick! What happened?

- Flash - A lot of people will abuse voting; you can't stop that. On the other hand, if you take out the voting system, the portal will be filled with crap submissions, spam, one-tween movies, stuff like that.

- Audio - Of course we need the audio judgement by actual people; it may take a few weeks, but this keeps (some) people from just posting stolen audio, noise, or stuff with crappy pre-made loops. Plus judgement only needs to be gone through ONCE. As for making it like the Flash Portal blam/save voting, people would abuse that even worse. You've seen good songs that have a score of zero or near-zero, right?

- Collections/Series/Etc - I agree, some of the stuff there is barely updated. The Games section should be sorted out according to what kind of game it's categorized as in the Flash description, rather than having the staff manually pick and choose what games go where, and organize them either by name or by score. Would be nice.

- Possible Features - If Unity stuff is added, I hope it's better maintained, although I prefer regular Flash games and don't want to see a huge switch. I'm not too concerned about the size change, but there are still people out there who view this on 1000-or-less pixel screen. I like the grey-and-orange color scheme; I swear, if they dare change it...

- true, really. Sad, but true.
- yeah, but 1 system would be good throughout.
- hopefully that'll vanish after the redesign.
- yes :) if they change it, then...

Wowowow We know us? Sorry bro I really forgot who you are, maybe you made some Name change eh?

Nufin muth has happened, NOW is the time things are gonna happen, since holidays just started (mine are just 1 day old =P)

Well....if you want to know, I'm the user with the former username Sanjeev98.